WSJ: Pilots followed Boeing procedures, still crashed

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WSJ: Pilots followed Boeing procedures, still crashed



The Wall Street Journal, citing sources familiar with the preliminary investigation, says Ethiopian Airlines pilots initially followed emergency procedures outlined by Boeing. Despite their actions, the pilots were unable to gain control of the Boeing 737 Max 8. CNN has not been able to independently confirm the report. CNN’s Tom Foreman goes into the virtual room, meanwhile Brianna Keilar discusses with former NTBS Managing Director Peter Goelz. #CNN #News

47 Comments

47 Comments

  1. Desy Moynes

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    The Max Boeing is only fit for conversion to beer cans

  2. henry dumor

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    i am not a boeing fan at all
    but
    facts are facts µ
    auto trim adjustment has been on all airplanes for years
    what does the plane do when people and cabin crew move back and forth along the fuselage? trim it flat
    any pilot worth his salt is trained to handle a trim runaway which is usually caused by a defective AOA sensor
    there are 3 easy ways to turn it off
    switch on cowhorns
    switch on center console
    stop the trim wheel manually
    the problem is that bongo land airlines do not fully train the pilots in this basic technique
    this is why you take your life in your hands when flying bongo airlines
    pay cheap and die

  3. Co Eu

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    I think in normal condition Boeing 737 Max is Hard to be fly manual

  4. coolhandlukedubble99

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    They have too much blood on there hands Boeing is going down fast.

  5. James Whyard

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    MCAS (Might Crash Any Second)! Airbus NEO THREE AOT vanes, on each flight deck seat, and a third for use in case of disagreement, it's call REDUNDANCY Boeing….

  6. Rita Marie Kelley

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Boeing has been cutting corners for years.  They had major problems with the 787 that got buried.  The pilots were not made aware of the existence of the MCAS.  That's specious.  With the engine positioning problems (retrofit), was it even aerodynamically sound?  So they jerry-rigged it with only one program, no back-up.  One of their selling points was saving the cost of pilot training, using a 90-minute IPad tutorial instead, completely omitting any mention of the MCAS.  That is so egregiously criminal.  I'm betting Boeing CEO, Dennis Muilenburg. gets a huge multi-million dollar bonus, just like all the Wall Street banisters did…PURE INSANITY.
    When will we have enough of corporate greed and government corruption?  The budgets have been cut repeatedly so much that the FAA basically put Boeing in charge of safety.  We all fly…

  7. Manly Black

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    It was essentially impossible to turn mcas off permanently given the steps provided. It was more of a soft reset aimed at hoping the system would correct itself. After 5 seconds of turning it off, mcas would re-engage for 10 seconds with no pilot input allowed. What that means is if the pilots aced the procedure, they had only 5 seconds to recorrect the dive before the planed dived uncontrollably for another 10 seconds and more depending on how long they took to shut it down again. The earlier reports of mcas being easy to shut down were completely incorrect and the newer simulations show that. Also in 2018 alone over 200 sensors were reported broken on boeing planes regardless of model so you seriously have to ask what the hell are these guys doing. Why is the sensor for mcas not linked by software to read sensory info of say flight level indicators and airspeed>? Computer systems are incredibly smart, if any kind of information/data doesn't concur with what mcas was designed for it should have been righted instantly within a fraction of a human's recognition time. But Boeing and the FAA for that matter, essentially due to regulations decided to do NOTHING about it and rush it into service. A whistleblower recently revealed that the single sensor mcas system was a deliberate decision based on it not having to be certified as well as not requiring a simulator teaching session for the pilot since most single sensor systems are not critical to flying the plane.

  8. tiffsaver

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    All Boeing had to do is engineer a UFO software program that would have instantly turned the Max 8 into a light speed Star Wars Battle Cruiser. Simple.

  9. Amit Y Kumar

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Don't make the glider wing tips to save fuel let it remain plain.engines closer to body isnt a problem. gush of wind and the car rolled ACCRA

  10. elvar g

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Boeing is going bankrupt due to lawsuits. Will be very problematic to avoid that. Profit over safety? Not good.

  11. Bradley7 Johnson

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Boeing is greedy and scaming customer . But Airbus is no better either

  12. kat undmaus

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    The incompetence of Boeing will never be fully unearthed since mankind has created processes which allow wealthy criminals who commit murder on a large scale and get away with it. If you are poor and/or lack connections, you would be well advised not to commit crime. This is how the world has been configured. There will always be casualties due to incompetence by the rich and powerful and there's nothing you can do about it.

  13. possum440

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Airbus has had some of the same issues with their aircraft. Havent seen this posted in a while, thought I would refresh everyones memory.

    Airbus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cSh_Wo_mcY

  14. Saved PirateOfGod

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    why bother even making a new airplane if you have to use a sensor to keep it straight? thats completley fucking backward is boeing dislexic they should face legal concequences too many peopole died.

  15. Eyad Taha

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Ethiopians pilots are The Best Pilotsi In The 🌎 World

  16. Fredric c

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    It's time with a new single aisle plane or a 727 in two engine configuration with engine in the back!

  17. Diogo Pinto

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Thanks, cpt obvious …

  18. Jay Win

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Here’s an idea!!! Let’s not put our bodies high above the Earth’s surface!! 😃😃😃😳🙄

  19. 00crashtest

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    The Boeing 737 MAX 8 is a lemon! Too bad lemon law doesn't exist for airplanes. Wow! Even Boeing is going down the drain nowadays just like GM and Chrysler! Maybe Toyota and Honda should start building jetliners!

  20. M B

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Just wait until computers are driving the vehicles on the road.

  21. allegiant347

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    It just looks like Tom foreman is being attacked by a swarm of 737s

  22. Shaggy Dawg

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Classic example of "…to screw things up, we need a computer (and/or software)".

  23. lmwrt

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    So, software to counteract a fault in design. That's awesome and the outcome is 340 people dead. Way to go Boeing.

  24. Hemayet Hasan

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    fix dynamic pressure sensor towards aircraft nose

  25. Wahyu Rahardjo

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Flying coffin

  26. Mark g

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Just found out the Lion captain pulled flaps to zero right after takeoff… no idea what he was thinking….. Big hush secret because they (pilots) were fighting over what to do over the cockpit voice recorder, and the investigators don’t want to release all this because it’s gonna destroy any little faith left in this airline….. clearly, Ethiopian pilots didn’t follow procedures either. Sad the press is still clueless about all the specific facts. Additionally not making me trust the investigators knowing they are getting all these pressures to respond and act a certain way…. hopefully they will eventually get the real story out there.

  27. Edmundo Rodriguez

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tuKiiznsY

    As a USN veteran with over 20 years of experience on flight control troubleshooting and maintenance of A6, E2, C1, C2, CT-39 & C-130F naval aircraft I can't help myself not to get involved with Boeing 737 Max mishaps, Since I'm a frequent flyer, I am very concerned about Boeing 737 Max infamous software fix that IMHO it is just a bandage fix. This software fix is just tinkering with the horizontal stabilizer of attack to stabilize the overwhelming thrust produced by the new engine that permits the undesirable pitch of the aircraft thereby stalling the engines during takeoff. At this point, the (MCAS) maneuvering characterestics augmentation system will depend on its timely pitch correction to counteract different factors that can influence it on a large passenger aircraft. Just my humble opinion, an experienced pilot once aware of this situation needed to immediately correct this by turning off the MCAS then apply manual flight control operation of the elevator to give an aircraft an even keel in the take-off mode. It is very critical and a split second delay can bring the aircraft out of control. The possible but very expensive correction to this problem is the expansion modification of the wingspan to improve the aircraft lift to avoid the unwanted pitch, therefore, preventing the inadvertent or even erratic operation of the Maneuvering Characteristic Augmentation System (MCAS) 0r eliminating this system completely. In addition, can that MCAS be disrupted by passenger's active cellphone or tablet during takeoff when those gadgets supposed to be off or in airplane mode. These possibilities can't be overlooked.

  28. Marcos Mota

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    So Boeing and Grumman merged and they purposely started on this road. These reporters are too lazy to look deeper and the public is left to do their own research. Al Jazeera was on Boeing's trail years ago, but got labeled as muckrakers: AJ: https://youtu.be/rvkEpstd9os and a Youtuber called AvE: https://youtu.be/NhZ0D-JRtz0 (Stick with him; he's got a particular method comedic of presentation.)

  29. Paul Greg Mwapua

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    B737 8max is ok (design wise) its only a few simple problems that must be addressed before allowing the plane to fly again and production.remove MCAS, the software is messing with the pilots. Unlike the previous engine, the new one is bigger and is fixed much higher up under the wing. On full thrust like on takeoff, flaps are engaged this in turn causes a much higher pressure then before which hits the flaps and spirals backwards towards the back of the elevator forcing the plane to dive. So even if the software is disengaged the plane will still dive (full thrust) Boeing should remove the software from the plane and just recalculate the flaps settings (takeoff, cruising, landing) so as to avoid the vortex to spiral upwards in front of the elevator and not at the back when on full thrust or angle the engine abit. This will occur on full speed, it won't happen on reduced speed like on landing.

  30. Sonny Burnett

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    AGAIN, a very simplistic explanation which Totally misses what happened. CNN like so many other news networks simply either doesn’t want to hire a knowledgeable airline pilot of which there are thousands or they don’t want to spend the air time to truly explain what happened. Also, this can very easily become an issue involving pilot abilities worldwide when put in comparison to Western pilot training/ability and god knows CNN doesn’t want to touch that area for fear of being tagged a racist network. Remember, in todays world we’re all so touchy feely sensitive.

  31. marco moreno

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    What the hell is happening at boeing? Once safety and quality was priority . Take care of that and the profits take care of themselves. Managers at this once great company have lost thier eye on the prize. They didnt learn the lesson of the american car companies.

  32. Heavenly Spirit

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    ban boeing

  33. Jose Lopez

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Thank you CNN for shedding light on the truth.
    Boeing is a mediocre company. It has been losing BILLIONS in market share to other better manufacturers.

    Hey American workers… STOP drinking, drugging, and living disorderly lives, as it affects the crap you manufacture!

    [Obviously there are detail-oriented and careful US workers, but mort are NOT, and the customer/consumers know that.]

  34. jean-claude pecqueur

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    CNN ..On zappe !

  35. Frank F

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Sorry is not good enough, Boeing CEO needs to go. It was profits before human life.

    A software patch will not fix an inherent design problem.

    They better get back the real engineers they retired in order to keep them quiet to solve the problem.

  36. Robert Bickerstaff

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Larger heavier engines mounted further forward + higher up = seriously compromised CG and CL on this particular airframe. 👎🏻

  37. Hiro Ciko

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Airbus masterrace…

    boeing max looks cool but MCAS they put with not procedure or notif make airplane company think is same way to drive the plane when is end to disaster

  38. Anuj Kapoor

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Watch this, that is if it's not censored in the USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os

  39. Anuj Kapoor

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Boeing and FAA both need to be held responsible for this manslaughter and brought to the court for justice

  40. Petar Stefanov

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHP4uGImX4&t=441s
    Why would anyone give a software which is essentially a robot, the power to decide what the plane should do? AI is not that advanced yet! Even if AI was advanced, giving it the power to decide might result in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wlsd9mljiU

  41. Syed Ahmed

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    MCAS is a Band-Aid solution to aerodynamic design flaw. The only way FAA should certify Boeing 737 MAX 8 & 9 is if Boeing can prove that this aircraft is safe WITHOUT the use of MCAS. Use of MCAS is like trying to fix the flaw in the design of building foundation with supporting structures outside above ground.
    Since year 1940s, aircraft has been safe WITHOUT the use of MCAS. It is immoral and unethical to mask (not solve) the root cause of aerodynamic design flaw with MCAS software. It seems Boeing does not want to solve the aerodynamic design flaw (which is very expensive to do) and is depending on kludge the MCAS software. As a control systems engineers myself, I would never approve use of software to hide the aerodynamic design flaw. The general public should refuse to accept software 'solution' to Boeing 737 MAX 8.

  42. Public Toilet

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    CNN top leading fake news.

  43. Patches0hulahan

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    What happened to Piloting the plane! It’s all button pushing now, let them fly the plane!

  44. Sal Musa

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Boeing scandal.

  45. Hartmut Writh

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    It is a crime with more than 300 dead people caused by Boeing management. No one from Boeing yet arrested???

  46. TheRumblewagon

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Maximizing profits and cutting costs are the only things that all corporations are concerned about. Those are what dictate a corporation's survivability. The human cost never factors into the equation until it blows up in their face. And then, even at that point, they'll try to minimize their responsibility.

  47. felter hills

    May 14, 2019 at 12:49 am

    did the pilot apply the procedure at the last moment ?

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